my EMPTY SAC / BUT WITH A GOOD OUTCOME

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my EMPTY SAC / BUT WITH A GOOD OUTCOME

Postby djcal » Fri Dec 09, 2005 2:55 pm

Well I found out I was pg, 11/04/05 by 11/09 I was bleeding, mind you I hadn't told a sole, not even my husband nor my 15 yr. son, so wed. came along I was bleeding not a lot but there was signs of blood, so I went to the doc, they sent me to the specialist,

Doc asked me a bunch of questions, as if it was my fault, I told him I was on birth control, and he had the nerve to say, “oh you complicated case” and that the pg was NO GOOD! He said I would be having a mc soon, by this point I had to tell my husband, my son, and of course work, I was put on bed rest for a wk, and had blood work done, the following Monday, my #'s came in and the doc said they didn't double as they were suppose to, but that we could do an u/s on 11/16/05, so we did and it turned out I had a 7 wk empty sac, no baby nothing just the sac, that’s when I lost it, he said okay were going to schedule you for a D & C, he also suggested a vaginal u/s, because I wasn’t willing to give up, I couldn’t believe this could be happening to me, I guess I always took it for granted, being able to have kids, with my first I had no problems, I was only 15 yrs. Old when I had my son, and everything was perfect, so I couldn’t believe what the doc was saying to me, he was so set on doing the D&C. :()

That's when I found this website, the women here suggested, I wait to let it pass naturally, they said NOT to have the D&C to have in come naturally, which I took their advice and decided to wait.


So the following week, I had my vaginal u/s, 11/23/05, turns out I was about 7 wk 4 days, I was excited and sad, all at the same time, all this time I thought I was miscarrying, he said “ HAPPY THANKSGIVING, this is what you wanted right”? He was confused I guess the look on my face said it all, I looked at the nurse and said I was here to have the D & C, I already had the approval and everything, and now it turns out I was pg. I was pissed off. :l He said everything looked good; we were off by 2 wks.


BUT exactly a wk after I had my vag. u/s, I started to bleed again and this time it was more than the first time, so I went to see the doc on 12/05/05, and again he said oh your having a mc, I was so disappointed again because at this point I didn't even feel pg anymore, I never got the morning sickness, or any other signs that I was pg, till this day I have not gotten the morning sickness, which makes me kind of lucky I guess, I just wasn't feeling pg anymore, and I was devastated, because going from waiting to miscarry to finding out everything was ok, to waiting to miscarry again, I was on a roller coaster,

But he said he would do another u/s to see if the baby was actually growing and that I should take a month off of work, that I should come back in 2 wks when the approval for the 3rd u/s came in, he really thought I was miscarrying, well I couldn't wait that long I wanted it done ASAP, so 2 days later the approval came in, I went in the next day, on 12/09/05, had my 3rd u/s and it turned out good, he found a heart beat E> and everything, turns out I’ll be 10 wks, pg tomorrow, I asked him what about the blood he said he didn't know where the bleeding came from but to ignore it,

So everything seems to be going ok, :)O< I’m just waiting to pass my first tri to start announcing it to the world, I have 2 wks to go wish me luck !

For you women who are going through this my Prayers :H are with you. This website really helped me. Keep the faith & be strong.

HAPPY HOLIDAYS

UPDATE: 12/27/05 - Today I am 12 wks 3 days, everything seems to be going great !

I still had one more incident where I bled 12/19/05, about a week after my 3 rd u/s, went to the doc and he said everything should be fine not to worry. So I guess some gals just bleed and I happen to be one of those gals. I guess I was always thought if you pregnant your NOT suppose to bleed…. that’s why I was so freaked out ~

UPDATE: MY LITTLE BOY WILL BE TURNING 5 YEARS OLD NEXT MONTH! WE'VE COME A LONG WAY. Please hang in there, there is always hope, don't give up. I pray and Thank this site for saving my little boys life. You ladies are amazing.
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Postby lost angel » Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:09 pm

I replied to your first post, but just let me say............again...
:cheer: :bananas: :cheer: :bananas: :cheer: :bananas: :cheer:
:jive: :yay: :jive: :yay: :jive: :yay: :jive: :yay:

It is such fantastic news!!!! Glad to have been of assistance in advising you to wait!

Looking forward to updates on your pregnancy!!!

Take care of yourself and your little one!!!

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Megan, 22, Jennifer 18, Matthew 9, Katerina 4, Nathaniel 2.
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Postby Kay » Fri Dec 09, 2005 3:50 pm

Congratulations. That is wonderful.

I love these stories :smile:
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my blighted ovum scare
Told I was miscarrying at 12 weeks

Blogging on Misdiagnosed Miscarriages
If you are being diagnosed with a blighted ovum after IVF, please take a look at this article I put together: Misdiagnosed Miscarriage After IVF
and why I just believe a blighted ovum should NOT be diagnosed before nine weeks at the earliest and the UK's new guidelines support this


This post is for informational purposes only. This information is not intended to replace information given by your physician but rather intended to supplement that information.
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Postby Tia » Fri Dec 09, 2005 5:30 pm

Congrats to you, and many thanks for sharing your story. For those of us still waiting it's a comfort.

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Postby hurt&confused » Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:36 pm

Wonderful story, I am in a similar situation....gives me hope:)
Thank you....Good luck and God bless :yay:
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LONG DETAILED VERISON

Postby djcal » Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:53 pm

I went in to see my doctor and he asked me a bunch of questions, as if it was my fault, I told him I was on birth control, and he had the nerve to tell me “Oh you’re a complicated case” and that the pregnancy was NO GOOD! Well I found out I was pregnant, 11/04/05 by 11/09 I was bleeding, mind you I hadn't told a soul, not even my husband nor my 15 yr. son, so Wednesday came along and I was bleeding not a whole lot but there was signs of blood, so I went in to see the doctor and he performed an ultrasound and told me I was about 7 weeks along and that my sac was way to big for it to be empty, he said I would be having a miscarriage soon and so by this point I had to tell my husband, my son, and of course work, I was bedridden for a week, and had blood work done, the following Monday, my numbers came in and the doctor said they didn't double as they were suppose to, so he said lets schedule you for a D&C, but we could also set up a vaginal ultrasound on 11/16/05 which gave me some hope because I wasn’t willing to give up, I couldn’t believe this could be happening to me, I guess I always took it for granted, being able to have kids, with my first child I had no problems, I was only 15 yrs when I gave birth to my son and everything went smooth therefore I couldn’t believe what the doctor was telling me seems he was so set on performing an D&C. :()

That's when I found this web site, the women here advised me not to have the D&C to have in come naturally, which I decided to do.

I went in for the vaginal ultrasound on 11/23/05 it turned out I was in fact 7 weeks and 4 days pregnant I was excited and sad, all at the same time, all this time I thought I was miscarrying, he said "HAPPY THANKSGIVING, this is what you wanted right?" He was confused I guess the look on my face said it all, I looked at the nurse and said I was originally here to have a D & C performed on me and I had already gotten the approval and everything, now it turns out I was truly pregnant after all. I was however very upset :O :O :O having gone through that whole ordeal. Anyhow the doctor said everything looked good but we were off by 2 weeks.

Although exactly a week after I had my vaginal ultrasound I began to bleed again and this time it was more than the first time. On 12/05/05 I went in again to see my doctor and he told me that it must be signs of miscarriage. I was so disappointed again because at this point I didn't even feel any signs of being pregnant anymore. Although I never got the morning sickness, or any other signs until this day. I will add that I have a fraternal twin brother that has had all the symptoms, such as nausea, vomiting, lightheaded, dizziness... Could that be possible? I just wasn't feeling it anymore, and I was devastated at this point because going from waiting to miscarry to finding out everything was ok, to waiting to miscarry again, I was on a roller coaster,

But he said he would do another ultrasound to see if the baby was actually growing and that I should take a month off of work and that I should come back in 2 weeks when the approval for the 3rd ultrasound came in, he really thought I was miscarrying, well I couldn't wait that long and I wanted it done ASAP, so 2 days later the approval came in, well yesterday 12/09/05 and I went to see my doctor and had my 3rd ultrasound and it turned out good, turns out I’ll be 10 weeks tomorrow. I asked him about the blood he said he didn't know where the bleeding came from but to ignore it, I am now in the process of switching my OBGYN as well.

So everything seems to be going ok :)O< but I’m just waiting to pass my first trimester to start announcing it to the world, I have 2 weeks to go, wish me luck!

I say if the doctor is telling you to have a D&C please get a second opinion or just wait till it happens naturally.

For you women who are going through this my Prayers :H :H are with you. This website really helped me. Keep the faith & be strong.
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Postby prayin4aboy » Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:54 pm

:bananas: :cheer: :yay: :jive: :thumbsup:
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Postby rose_thorn98 » Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:04 am

Congratulations! What truly wonderful news. I think Dr.'s are too quick to say
D & C. I'm glad you waited.

:yay: :yay: :yay: :yay: :yay: :yay: :yay:

:cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:
Thomas Spencer was born 2/7/06 !!!!!!!

M/C Angel 3/05
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Postby pistachio » Thu Dec 15, 2005 1:04 am

What a encouraging story! I feel so happy for you :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: Hope my outcome will be good too :pray: :pray: :pray: :pray:
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UPDATE

Postby djcal » Tue Dec 20, 2005 1:36 pm

Well I posted earlier that I had some bleeding on Thursday, 12/15, everything seems to be okay, doc just said I needed to rest, which I’m trying to do

you know it's hard not being able to share this with my family, I know they would love to comfort me, but it's nice I have you gals here

Well I have just less then a week and I’ll be 3 months PREGNANT! :jive:

keep your fingers crossed, :pray:
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Postby hurt&confused » Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:19 pm

Very encouraging and exciting news:)
My thoughts and prayers are with you....I go for my 2nd ultrasound tomorrow....I pray to have an outcome like yours :pray:
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Postby jnmagee » Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:31 pm

im in the same boat and am hoping you can update your condition to give me hope. my lmp was nov 16th. this is my 3rd child. all pregnancies were normal, and no prior mc. i tested on a urine test on dec 17th, and then again a week later. both said positive. i went for my first visit today, jan 6th, and they confirmed it with another urine test. i have yet to go for hgc levels, or any blood work. they said they could only see a sack and nothing else. he only looked for a minute and no longer. i asked him to keep looking because my first child was hiding against the wall of the sack and it took a little time to see him. he said he's almost 100% sure the baby wasnt viable, and i would be mc soon. he said to come back in 10 days for another u/s, maybe i ovulated later than i thought. but to be prepared to have a d and c the following day. i came home and rested and tonight i started bleeding, but only when i urinate. and not alot. i called him to let him know and he said if it contnues i have to go to the er tommorrow for a d and c. i have not had any blood work, and i asked him if its possible to be sooner than i think. he said no because of me showing positive almost a month ago. i have read almost every post on this website, and i have more faith now than ever, but i dont know what to do. my parents are behind me on this and are trying to give me strength. everyone thinks im just sooner along then i think. my husband thinks he saw something on the ultrasound, and the doctor noted that he saw a blur along the edge, but he highly doubted it was a baby. my father said that i should wait and let my body take over. he doesn't beleive in the d and c. please give any update or advice. thank you !
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Postby Auralinn » Sat Jan 07, 2006 8:03 am

Inmagee, I went through the rollercoaster of bloodwork and the specialist and my ob's opinion. First things were not great, then they were great, then not so great again, and they wanted me to have a d&c right away. I wouldn't do it, especially after reading the posts here. I wanted nature to make it's decision, you know?

I agree with the ladies here, most docs are too eager to do a d&c. And personally, I think waiting is the best thing... if things turn out great, then that's fabulous! If they don't, you get a better sense of closure.

Btw... I would demand bloodwork! You should be aware of your levels, definetly!

Sending you tons of good wishes!

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Postby djcal » Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:36 am

Dear jnmagee,

I will definitely wait I believe now, that I made the best decision to wait the ladies here suggested I wait, and look at me now I’m 14 wks today, I’m in my second trimester.

I know it’s hard not knowing what to expect, but you’re lucky you have your family, with you who can support you, I didn’t have anyone but my husband and son, but their boys so it was hard for them to understand what I was going through that’s when I found this website. The ladies hear reached out and gave me so much support.

Look at me, I bleed just like you when ever I would go to the bathroom, at first it wasn’t bad as I got further along it somehow got umm I guess heavier, but don’t get me wrong I wasn’t bleeding a whole lot, just a little but hey to me blood was blood and I was always told you’re not suppose to when your pg.

Now my empty sac, same thing my doc thought I was further along too. He couldn’t see anything! He suggested I have the D&C but also suggested to have the vaginal ultra sound, which I highly recommend, they’re able to see inside you better.

I’m already a heavy girl so it’s hard to see the baby with just at regular ultra sound especially if you’re not that far along.

DEMAND to have blood work done, they could tell a lot by you #’s

Please keep me updated with you story. Remember keep the faith and be strong. You mentioned you have other kids, so do I and I never had any problems all pregnancies are different.

Good Luck.

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Postby julsathome » Sun Jan 08, 2006 8:00 am

MommaMcGee,
INSIST on bloodtests! And think about switching doctors. It's very easy for them to be casual about your pregnancy, but professionalism should insure that they do complete research before they give you a diagnosis. I know, there's a lot of frustration in not knowing whether it's viable or not, but I can't imagine this would compare with always wondering 'what if?' if in your gut you think there's a baby in there trying to grow. I'm really feeling for you right now and you are in my thoughts. Please keep us updated on your situation.

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Postby jnmagee » Sun Jan 08, 2006 11:27 am

TO EVERYONE WHO HAS CONTACTED ME REGARDING THIS MATTER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR ENCOURAGING WORDS. IVE DECIDED THAT I WILL DEMAND BLOODWORK, AND I WANT TO KNOW THE MEASURMENTS OF THE SAC. I DONT EVEN THINK HE DID THAT. I HAVE HAD SOME MORE LIGHT BLEEDING, BUT NOTHING AT ALL TO WORRY ABOUT, NO CRAMPING. IM JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT EASY, AND PRAY. SOMETHING IN MY MIND AND HEART IS NOT LETTING ME GIVE UP HOPE. I HAD PUT THE MAKING OF THE BABY BLANKET ON HOLD, BUT I CONTINUED THAT TODAY. MAYBE THATS A LITTLE EXTREME, BUT I HAVE FAITH THAT ALL WILL BE WELL. AND AS DUMB AS THIS SOUNDS, MY PREGNANCY SYMPTOMS HAVE COME BACK, BUT FAINTLY. BUT I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. MAYBE IM NOT THE SMARTEST WOMAN AT 25, BUT DOCTORS GO OFF OF THE LMP, RIGHT? WELL MOST WOMEN OVULATE ABOUT 2 WEEKS AFTER, SOME EVEN MORE THAN THAT. LETS SAY I CONCEIVED ON DECEMBER 4TH( WHICH IS WHEN I THINK I DID ), I WOULD HAVE ONLY BEEN AROUND 4 WEEKS OR SO WHEN I HAD THE ULTRASOUND ON JANUARY 6TH., AND EVEN EARLIER IF I OVULATED LATER THAN THAT. COULD I BE CORRECT? MY MOM SAID THERE IS EVEN THE POSSIBLITY THAT I COULD HAVE HAD A POSITIVE TEST EVEN ONE DAY AFTER CONCEIVING. SHE SAID THAT" FIRST RESPONSE" CAN TEST THAT EARLY. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF ANYONE HAS ANY INSIGHT ON THAT
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Postby julsathome » Sun Jan 08, 2006 12:21 pm

U/S often show nothing conclusive until after 6 or 7 or sometimes 8 weeks since LMP. It's a great sign that your symptoms have returned a bit. HPT's work off the level of the HcG hormone, which is what they test in the bloodtests that you so rightly are going to demand. Sounds to me like your doc really jumped the gun. Some HPT's can work after conception, but if I were you, I'd keep working on that blanket and try not to worry. And this is one of the best places to come for support and/or distraction. It is possible also that the sack wasn't clear enough to measure at that early stage, which could be why they didn't try. However, the weeks of pregnancy go from the first day of your LMP, so you'd have to go back about 2 weeks before Dec 4 Or hopefully you know the date of your LMP and count the weeks from there. HcG tests also are usually done in a series, as these levels normally double every 48 to 72 hours (although this varies for all women), so they should do one test and have you return 2 to 3 days later to check the levels again and usually again 2 to 3 days after that. This gives a good indication of whether your levels are rising or not. There are some very good forums on this site about these levels. Happy reading and best of luck!

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Postby Thistle » Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:29 pm

Hi MommaMcGee,

The thing about dating in pregnancies is that there just is almost no way to be absolutely 100% sure when you conceived and implanted. Unless you have IVF, there are variants that can make your dates appear to be as much as 2 weeks off from what your LMP would suggest.

Ovulation: Once you ovulate, your egg is only viable (or "ripe") for fertilization for 24 hours. But sperm can live three to five days inside your body, which means that you may *think* you conceived on the day you had intercourse, but if you didn't ovulate until three, four, even five days later, you may not have conceived until three, four, or five days after having sex! That's a pretty big gap.

Fertilization to implantation: Depending on how far your egg travelled before it met the winning sperm, it can take that fertilized egg (aka "blastocyst") anywhere from six to 13 days to travel down to your uterus and implant there. Once implantation occurs, it triggers a hormonal reaction and tells your body to start producing HCG. Home pregnancy tests CANNOT detect HCG until you have implanted.

I have seen the First Response commercial that probably led your mom to think a HPT could detect a pregnancy one day after conceiving; it is an UTTERLY MISLEADING commercial, and yet another reason for me to hate First Response HPT's. I will post the other reasons under the research forum, because all women need to know what that company is doing to their tests and how they are falsely hyping their advertising.

At home, with just a simple urine HPT, a woman cannot detect a pregnancy one day after conceiving; but you CAN detect it one day after -or even, rarely, the day of- implantation. The reason those tests get away with saying, "Test three, four, five days earlier than other tests" is because they know that some women will implant as early as five or six days after conception, meaning those lucky women will get a BFP (big fat positive) earlier than the day of their missed period.

Is this making sense so far? Something else I want to mention about First Response (and other tests that claim to detect pregnancies earlier than anyone): They are basing their claims on the knowledge that all women ovulate at different times, had sex at different points in their cycles, and implant at widely varying dates after fertilization. These brands ALSO have the **lowest** HCG sensitivity on the market. What that means is that they can detect HCG at levels much lower and smaller than other brands. First Response claims to detect HCG at 15 mIU (most brands are between 25 and 50 mIU), but because every single individual test can have different actual sensitivities, SOME First Response tests may actually detect HCG at levels as low as 4.5 mIU!! Some non-pregnant women have that level of HCG in their systems all the time. So I guess my point with all of this is, be CAREFUL when choosing your pregnancy test, and do not believe everything they advertise. While they are not outright lying to you, they most certainly ARE taking advantage of the general public's lack of knowledge regarding these specifics.

(As an aside, the only reason I sound so bitter and vehement is because I am one of the only people you will ever meet in your lifetime who experienced not one, but TWO **TRUE** false positives with First Response's Early Detection HPT's. There are reasons for this, other than what I mentioned above, which I will post in the research forum later.)

*phew* Okay, having ranted about all that, I'll jump back to the original intent of this post: Miscalculating dates. If you take into consideration that you may not have ovulated and fertilized an egg until a good three to five days after you had intercourse, then add to those five days another 6 to 13 days before getting to implantation, then another day or two before you have built up enough HCG in your urine for it to be detected by most HPT's, then it is definitely possible that your dates could be as much as two weeks off, maybe even a little bit more, by the time you get a BFP. You may be only a few days preggars, when you thought -going by your LMP and the usually presumed 28 day cycle- that you were as much as two weeks (or, as pregnancy dating goes, four weeks) pregnant.

I hope that clarified a few things, rather than make it more confusing! One site that I HIGHLY recommend when it comes to understanding and properly interpreting your HPT is peeonastick.com. This woman has gone to a lot of trouble to compile as much info as she can on as many HPT's as is humanly possible.

Please keep us updated on how you are doing, and what you find out as you go along!! And keep the faith. I bled all the way through my last pregnancy, and have been spotting on and off for the past couple of weeks with this one (I am about 8 1/2 wks). Some women just do. And it is too early for anyone to call it a rain day on your game yet!! Get your bloodwork done, give that baby a little time to grow, and meanwhile we will all be praying for you.

XXOO,
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Postby jnmagee » Sun Jan 08, 2006 2:40 pm

WOW THISTLE! YOU SURE DO HAVE ALOT OF KNOWLEDGE. THAT HAS GIVEN ME SO MUCH HOPE. I THOUGHT FOR A WHILE THERE THAT I WAS GOING CRAZY. MY DOCTOR SAID THERE WAS NO WAY. I KNEW IN MY HEART THAT EVERYONE WAS DIFFERENT, AND I COULD JUST BE THAT ONE THIS TIME ROUND. I WILL DEFINATELY KEEP YOU IN TOUCH. THIS WEEK WILL BE HARD. I HAVE HAD SOME MORE SPOTTING, BUT NOTHING ELSE. AND SOME OF MY PREGNANCY SYMPTOMS HAVE COME BACK. I GUESS THATS GOOD RATHER THAN BAD. ILL KEEP IN TOUCH, THANK YOU SO MUCH AGAIN! :H :)8
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Postby jnmagee » Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:03 pm

well ladies. the day finally came today for another u/s and unfortunately it didnt reveil anything else. it has been 10 days since my last u/s and the sac haden't even grown. i am supposed to be around 9 weeks( as per lmp) and the sac measures 5 weeks 6 days, and hasnt moved. i have decided to have a d & c and they will do that tommorrow afternoon. im ok with the fact that there was something wrong with the baby. at least i didnt see it or hear the heartbeat. im going to coninue to try another time. i have two boys already, and would love to have a girl . thank you all for helping me get through this bad time, and i will keep in touch with all of you. god bless E>
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